The seeker's problem is often that they think they do know something and that they know it better than everyone else including their 'teacher'. Which they do, of course. However, knowing anything is not the point but the problem! 'Not-knowing mind' is a condition of awe. It is not a thought or a statement.

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Knowing anything is not the point but the problem!

[Oshana]

Yo Andy Mc,

"I don't know" is one of the most common statements of playful children, irresponsible adults and self-deceived seekers.

The seeker's problem is often that they think they do know something and that they know it better than everyone else including their 'teacher'. Which they do, of course.

However, knowing anything is not the point but the problem!

"Not-knowing mind" is a condition of awe (which isn't to be confused with John de Ruiter's statement after eating a roasted chicken - he said it was "awesome" - well, maybe it was for him). It is not a thought or a statement.

I often feel that the "Master's" description of the Enlightenment is pretty useless except for his peers. It's like being giving a Rolls Royce Manual to a Mini owner.

I sort of know what he means but wouldn't mind having him in front of me to get some more sense out of him and maybe he would let me use the *kwat* stick on him. He he he :-)

Anyway, Korean's are hard to understand if you want to see what I mean visit my old pal, Tatagatha, he claims to be the Supreme Master and every time we meet he berates me for not following him. I have never understood a single word he has said in over 7 years.

He is at:

http://www.inasc.org

Occasionally, he feeds me Korean food - that I can relate to! ;-)

love and munchies,

Oshana

[Oshana]

Not-knowing, you will notice, is really uncool, and just about every teacher who has been brought to your attention has been claiming knowledge of something? Otherwise they would doing something else.

[Andy Mc]

The zen master Seung Sahn comes to mind as one who emphasises not- knowing as essential. "A don't-know mind is a before-thinking mind. Before thinking is clear like space. Clear like space is clear like a mirror."

I guess he knows about not knowing. Ho Ho.

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