Enlightenment isn't an experience or a sensation or a buzz or anything you can feel. it is more like a Perspective and more than that IT is the Final Canvas on to which ALL is painted.

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The Final Canvas on to which ALL is painted

[Oshana] Yes, if you want certain benefits and no, not for enlightenment - the one thing which is effortless and paradoxically *demands* no effort to be achieved.

[Questioner] Yes and yes. Yes, I want enlightenment. So no practice needed for that, correct?

[Oshana] Correct

[Questioner] And yes, I want certain benefits. Practice is required for that correct? Please instruct about that, because I definitely want certain benefits for all beings, and I am immanently trainable.

[Oshana] First get things first ...my priority is Enlightenment...masseurs are ten a penny

[Questioner] I don't understand how it can fade. But then again I don't know how one gets IT in the first place

Metaphorically speaking, all I can liken it to, is ... like a really good piece of chocolate melting in your mouth, or a really wonderful orgasm, and when it's over, it's over. You're changed in someway, maybe profoundly, but the event (state) is definitely not there any more. The experience is there, and then it isn't there.

[Oshana] Enlightenment isn't an experience or a sensation or a buzz or anything you can feel..it is more like a Perspective and more than that IT is the Final Canvas on to which ALL is painted.

[Questioner] And once it isn't there, the memory of it is really strong.

[Oshana] Memories like the Shadow of my Mind.......! Know the song? like bitter coffee (or pure dark chocolate!

[Questioner] In my case I would definitely prefer to have the experience again, and to completely stabilize it, but I don't really experience any full-throttle grasping for it, since I know that is useless.

[Oshana] Experiences have to change. It's the Law of Life here.

[Questioner] 'm *not* comparing it to the intensity of those other experiences (chocolate, orgasm) -- this was intense but steady, very difficult to describe, definitely a huge shift for me, where everything was freer, complete, moment to moment, spontaneously complete in the moment, all fear and anxiety gone. **It was very clear that I didn't GET anything 'added'**, but rather, I got rid of what I didn't need -- the obscurations, veils, anxieties and incompletions that typically keep me from being totally completely present ... were gone. The direct experience of the spaciousness (emptiness) of the moment allowed the fullness to be experienced in an unobstructed way, with nothing added. It's more like: what I didn't need was lifted. A boulder in the road was moved, and there it was -- unobstructed. See how difficult it is to describe -- like, try to explain chocolate to some aboriginal or an orgasm to a four year old who's never had the experience. They won't get it, and they might even think you're a little nuts. Words won't do.

[Oshana] Ok. I got that, and that sounds somewhat like IT. So let's look again, shall we?

[Questioner] Apparently you've got a Way (effortless, spontaneous) to just Be, rest in that, and it reproduces itself, communicates itself, in the surrounding environmental matrix of human consciousness. That's interesting. If it's permanently contagious, We could be in for some enlightened fun times up the road.

[Oshana] Thank you for getting this! It really is Amazing, and so unexplored. It's new and it's just happening, Now!

[Questioner] Prior to this (my recent three day experience), I thought it was really funny that Jeffrey Hopkins wrote an 800 page book on Emptiness after this I understood why he would do that -- the utter indescribable profundity of the experience.

[Oshana] Don't know him. But once you have it you just wanna share it!

[Questioner] I felt a strong desire to reach out and share it with others, but alas, wasn't too effective with that. The letdown is, it was kinda like having a party, and nobody else shows up. It was still fun, but it would really be a gas if one could share it.

[Oshana] Exackerly! (Pooh's like Honey)

[Questioner]What I do witness, with more and more regularity is that people, especially those that are On The Edge, spontaneously go into it around me.

I am definitely game.

[Oshana] Wow! Popcorn anyone? I mean so you are ready...we have to see...can't wait

[Questioner] I don't experience any of that (unworthiness). On the contrary, I have this deep confidence that I am destined to stabilize enlightenment in this lifetime ... like, yesterday. What am I waiting for????

[Oshana] Wow! Popcorn anyone? I mean so you are ready...we have to see...can't wait

[Questioner] I don't experience any of that (unworthiness). On the contrary, I have this deep confidence that I am destined to stabilize enlightenment in this lifetime ... like, yesterday. What am I waiting for????

[Oshana] Very Good. Are you waiting? - seriously

[Questioner] I get what you are saying. I am not *consciously* ascribing to any of those limiting beliefs, and I have certainly put in my share of time and effort de-constructing, excavating, de-layering (don't you just LUV photoshop?!) my own conscious and subconscious 'beleifs' 'ego structure' etc. Perhaps there is too much rooting around in the layers before discarding them, making sure that one is done with it and ready to take it out to the curb for the trip to the landfill. Might it be more to the point to just ship the entire mess out, unexamined?

[Oshana] Exackerly! Tigger's like mysteries solved

[Questioner] Up until recently, I guess I've been afraid I might discard something (mental content) really valuable that I might need. I'm not at all interested in (another set of) beliefs (mythologies, unexamined assumptions), I see them all ultimately as limitations and obstructions. I'm interested in blowing open the entire meaning-making machinery of mind. Then there is total choice, complete freedom, right? I'm interested in Experience, direct and unobstructed, not beliefs.

But who would carry out these exhortations? The Self is Free

[Oshana] Right, There's nobody home.

[Questioner] Or put more positively - There is only the Self.

[Oshana] See who/what is Aware.

[Questioner] I have been consciously looking and checking for the apprehender for years (28 years of practice, to be exact) -- nobody's home. I am sure about that. 'Self' does not exist. It has no 'it' -- no inherent existence.

[Oshana] What more do you want then? Enlightenment or something?!!!

Actually that sounds quite like IT. What's missing?

[Questioner] Let's face it, it's a little tricky, like the eye trying to see itself. It's even more difficult than that -- more like trying to experience the mirror without using an object to experience the (clear, reflective) qualities of the mirror itself. When mind apprehends mind directly, or looks for the awareness/apprehender itself, mind isn't there, and nobody's home, since self/existence has no inherent existence anyway. It's all space, empty and potentially full. Right?

[Oshana] Exackerly. Owls listening.

[Questioner] Until I can show up and hang out, any particular method or advice, for an On The Edge creature like myself?

[Oshana] Drink lots of cool water and really taste it!

[Questioner] Thank you,

[Oshana] Thank you,

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