It is so weird to watch everyone speculate after a Dialogue meeting. Which is why I am dropping the concepts. Soon we will be able to just eat in peace and hang out in simple-minded joy without all this philosophising.

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The waitress fills the teacup that is empty not the one that is full!

[Oshana] Oshana replying to Zenida:

[Zenida] First, you need to define what you mean by the words ego, consciousness and abuse. In Korea, I discovered that some words for different states of mind or consciousness in foreign languages cannot be translated properly into English as we often have no exact equivalent for them.

[Oshana] Making useful definitions will be a lot of work. I have started to drop all concepts from my Dialogues - so maybe I can by-pass the proposed lexicographical task! :-)

[Zenida] As for ego, maybe we had better say super ego, as however much we try not to identify with 'I', the personality is still making a statement.

[Oshana] Well, again it depends on definitions, as you say. Do all statements have to come from the personality?

[Zenida] Even Tathagata was accused by some of being 'arrogant' but he claimed it is not arrogant to say you are the 'best' if that is just the truth. But perhaps it doesn't matter what other people think. If the person becomes 'enlightened' then perhaps those who have not reached that state cannot possibly understand that state of enlightenment.

[Oshana] They cannot really understand. Well, I couldn't. I meet people who can talk the talk and are the first to admit they are still seeking. They have so many ideas about it.

The waitress fills the teacup that is empty not the one that is full!

It is so weird to watch everyone speculate after a Dialogue meeting. Which is why I am dropping the concepts. Soon we will be able to just eat in peace and hang out in simple-minded joy without all this philosophising.

Anyway, the waitress fills the teacup that is empty not the one that is full!

Watching everyone around the dinner table is weird. Its like being invited at your own birthday party and seeing that no-one notices "you". You even have your best clown's suit on - they still don't see you and they all talk like they know you - might as well come in a real birthday suit.

The Emperor has no clothes! But some people want to dress him up. But if the Emperor were an attractive clothed Empress maybe it be the opposite way around. :-)

[Zenida] I am very conscious that 'I' have many different facets and multiple personalities if I care to use them.

[Oshana] True. And sometimes you might find they are using you. Like the kids taking over the house when the parents are on vacation! :-)

[Zenida] I have no problem with feeling detached from some of them.

[Oshana] Of course. It's the ones that cannot be 'risen above' that are considered a problem.

[Zenida] I can rise above them in meditation and the dream state, but although love and compassion are states I cultivate daily, I find most emotions are becoming easier to detach from as I grow older.

[Oshana] Daily. 24 hours a day. Every moment. That would be good wouldn't it? :-) :-) :-):-):-) :-)

[Zenida] When you are able to see the ` whole picture' it is easier to feel compassion for people rather than anger or sadness.

[Oshana] True.

[Zenida] Yes, it is easy to feel that we have everything 'sussed' until something shakes us up and disturbs us. I like the bit about 'sediments'.I feel that I still have sediments. Do you think that yours have all gone now?

[Oshana] Did I mention `sediments'? Others have. For me, they don't seem to be relevant.

[Zenida] It is easy to feel peaceful and tranquil on my own, but not so easy around some people. I find that I need to learn how to love people more so that whatever they do I will stay in a state of bliss. Can you do that?

[Oshana] It cannot be lost.

Love david

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