So far, co-dependency (between myself and a fellow Dialoguer) has not been a problem in my Dialogues. The focus is on getting the enquirer to see, as quickly as possible, 'Who am I', or put another way, to dis-identify with who they thought they were.

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Crazy Wisdom, Co-dependency &Disciple Abuse

[Oshana]

High Sky,

So far, co-dependency (between myself and a fellow Dialoguer) has not been a problem in my Dialogues. The Dialoguer is responsible for his/her own search. I do not ask anything of them, or from them, except honest enquiry. In turn I can only be asked to honestly present the truth of my perspective.

The focus is on getting the enquirer to see, as quickly as possible, "Who am I", or put another way, to dis-identify with who they thought they were. After that I probably won't see them again unless they already knew me socially.

Getting this Perspective is not something that need take lifetimes. No arduous practices are required. No one needs to practice austerities (but if you want to give up your cup of steaming jasmine tea to a thirsty soul - who am I to tell you otherwise! ;-))

Oshana <------- Having a "Kung Fu" series flashback: imagining being a thirsty meditating Shaolin Temple monk surrounded by bubbling cauldrons of steaming herb tea

[sky]

High Oshana,

I feel very much the same way you do when you write,

"I am considering my opinion on so-called 'crazy wisdom' teachers.Could they be Liberated? Certainly they and their students might appear `liberated from social etiquette'.

"However, if abuse is a small or large part of their teaching method, then it stands in contrast with my experience of compassion which manifests itself as gentleness when I share my perspective in public Dialogues."

For me, without gentleness, there is only darkness. Those who employ abuse, I believe, are spreading a negativity which is strictly self-serving and oppressive.

Such forms of false enlightenment, I believe, merely recreate the same parent to child codependency,through the guru to devote relationship, that we're all trying to escape.

I say this especially because my experience is that negativity IS abuse and abuse IS precisely the weight, the violence,that enlightenment wishes to drop,transcend, find liberation from.

For me, it only stands to reason, however, that it is precisely those of us who have felt too abused who finally decide to seek enlightenment.Thus,it is to be expected that confusing abuse with insight will occur. I would even insist that that is ITSELF the essence of unenlightenment.

I'm thus, very opposed to austere and deadening pracices such as Zen, or Hindu assaults on the body, for example.

love, sky

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