When there are feelings of unworthiness, or Unrealistic Beliefs about Enlightenment, then the individual is Investing in Loss, The Mind, gives Mind Power to staunchly hold on to its Kingdom of Illusion.

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The Enlightened One acts to bring Relief from Illusory Suffering

[Questioner] Hi Oshana, I linked into your egroups list from a Rigpa Digest (Sogyal Rinpoche's sangha) which intimated that you said your method was most like Dzogchen, and also some reference to Advaita Vedanta. Hence my interest as a student and practitioner of in the dzogchen/mahamudra tradition. Where is the archive on this conversation? -- I couldn't find it.

[Oshana] I can't find one either - on the e-group. Some people have linked my continuous realisation to Ch'an, Zen, Tao and Advaita and I'd say that is OK but the Truth is just a bit beyond the words, right in front of the eyes and behind the back of the head!

[Questioner] Now my question: Do you think it's necessary to continually 'train' the mind (heart/mind) through a method of formal practice?

[Oshana] Yes, if you want certain benefits and no, not for enlightenment - the one thing which is effortless and paradoxically *demands* no effort to be achieved.

[Questioner] I've had some huge emptiness/enlightenment experiences -- this occurred spontaneously and lasted for three days, then faded. It was clear to me that that was IT, but it was also clear (after the experience faded) that I couldn't stabilize that level.

[Oshana] I don't understand how it can fade. But then again I don't know how one gets IT in the first place. What I do witness, with more and more regularity is that people, especially those that are On The Edge, spontaneously go into it around me.

In those cases where people seem to dive in and pop out of The Experience, sometimes on a frequent basis, there seem to be some Incongruent Ideas. In one case, I can remember, there was, I felt, some Feelings of Unworthiness - which in dramatic terms is a tragedy, i.e. to be so near and yet to be so far.

But, it's not so bad as it seems from the Unenlightened Side of the Fence, because all that separates the individual is A Belief (often a Complex Thought but like a layered Photoshop photo-image it can be flattened into a One Simple Thought). What this means from My Side is that that any person is as close as anyone else, even the Gautama Buddha, to Enlightenment. In fact all human beings are just a Thoughts Breadth away from IT.

When there are feelings of unworthiness, or Unrealistic Beliefs about Enlightenment, then the individual is Investing in Loss, The Mind, and gives the Mind the Power to staunchly hold on to it's Kingdom of Illusion.

Generally, if people are so bound by fear, arrogance or pride, to such small-minded pet beliefs, we (you and I - sensitive types) as Bodhisattvas-in-the-making, generally leave them to That, i.e. Illusion. However, there is a Moment in Time, when a cry goes out for Liberation and in that Moment the Enlightened One acts to bring Relief from Illusory Suffering through the Knowledge of the True Self.

[Questioner] (I am familiar with the exhortation to not attach to it, don't try to recreate it, just continue on.)

[Oshana] But who would carry out these exhortations? The Self is Free.

[Questioner] How to stabilize that experience of complete spontaneous natural direct awareness?

[Oshana] See who/what is Aware.

[Questioner] Enjoying the dialog, Oshana, I am,

[Oshana] Merci beaucoup.

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